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Education + Change = Angry Teachers’ Union Bosses

This, from the Advocate, is so typical it’s surprising it even made news at all:

Gov. Bobby Jindal’s plan to trim public school red tape does nothing to reduce any such burdens on teachers, the president of the Louisiana Federation of Teachers said.

“Nothing would provide these front-line educators with greater autonomy or more professional discretion,” LFT President Steve Monaghan said in a letter to Jindal dated Monday.

The governor last week said he will back legislation to trim red tape and make it easier to improve schools.
The plan would allow school districts to seek four-year waivers from state laws or policies, with some exceptions.

Jindal calls his plan “The Red Tape Reduction Act.”

But Monaghan said the proposal “appears to be no more than the latest in the long history of top-down reform measures that have failed to recognize the expertise, voice and value of classroom educators.”

He noted that, while Jindal’s plan included praise from education leaders and good-government groups, none came from classroom educators.

Under the plan, school districts could seek waivers that govern curriculum, textbooks, teacher/student ratios and tenure, which protects teachers against arbitrary dismissal.

“None of these have been identified by teachers as impediments to student achievement,” Monaghan said.

The legislative session begins March 29.

That’s not much of an article, and it’s almost impossible to tell much about what the Governor is actually proposing based on the Advocate’s reporting on it. So instead, let’s look at what the Times-Picayune has to say about it. Strangely enough, it’s an AP story – one wonders why the Advocate couldn’t be bothered to post the AP piece on their site. And from the T-P’s piece, we find that:

  • There is a link to Jindal’s actual proposal (external links from Advocate articles? Pshaw! Such insanity!)
  • According to the Picayune, Monaghan’s letter said “We were hopeful that the coming legislative session would be more collaborative and less contentious. That hope is not reflected in the proposals outlined in the so-called Red Tape Reduction Act.” That quote seems a little more newsworthy than anything in the Advocate story, given the tone it throws off.
  • In the T-P story, we have an actual quote from Jindal’s executive counsel Steven Waguespack on the matter. Waguespack says that the proposal aims to give individual schools or school districts more freedom to structure themselves. “This is an optional tool for districts to consider,” is the quote which appears in the paper.
  • The New Orleans paper also reports that the state’s education secretary Paul Pastorek is actually behind Jindal’s proposal, which would seem a morsel of information the Advocate might consider passing on to its readers.

Without going into too much more of an analysis of the Advocate’s reporting on this topic, the picture being put forth is an ancient one – public education in Louisiana sucks with a small number of exceptions, most of those exceptions revolve around schools (or at least small independent districts) able to make independent decisions on how they operate, the governor is attempting to introduce more leeway to more schools in an effort at inspiring innovation and immediately the teachers’ union bosses come frothing at the mouth in an effort to put a stop to it and maintain the status quo.

I will say that all the freedom in the world within the public schools isn’t likely to produce educational gains unless the parents and children are also given the freedom to choose which schools they wish to attend, and that seems a flaw (or at least a missing piece) in Jindal’s proposal. But we can be perfectly sure any move toward introducing market forces to education would generate exponentially larger opposition from Monaghan and his ilk; time and again the teachers’ union bosses in this state (just like everywhere else) have proven they’re interested in three things:

  1. More money and more job security, despite the fact that in the real world more often than not the two are mutually exclusive;
  2. A less accountable, less demanding workplace despite the obvious indication that if those conditions are met student performance will suffer; and
  3. A system as centralized and bureaucratized as possible so as to allow the LFT and the other teachers’ unions to apply the maximum amount of pressure on a minimum number of decision-makers in order to secure the conditions they’re looking for.

Monaghan’s quote about how the teachers aren’t complaining that the conditions Jindal’s proposal seeks to alter are affecting performance is an amusing one. So because the Monaghan’s teachers aren’t complaining, nothing needs to change? Have LFT members been marching on the state capitol in outrage at Louisiana’s educational rankings? Not that I’ve noticed. Are they up in arms about lousy test scores and failing schools? Maybe the papers just aren’t reporting on it.

This is not to say our teachers are unconcerned about educational performance, and it’s not to say they don’t have tough jobs which ought to be made easier with better pay (when it’s results-driven), better working conditions and more interested and motivated students to work with. We all want that.

But most of us also want innovation and competition in the schools, not bureaucracy and a system shackled to the same methods which placed the state in the bottom five nationally in performance. The guess here is that there’s a reasonably large constituency within the ranks of the state’s teachers for such changes – not that you’d ever know it listening to Monaghan. Because if the system was ever decentralized and some school administrator somewhere used his or her freedom to build a better mousetrap, that might threaten Monaghan’s little rice bowl. Can’t have that.

Jindal needs to ignore the little satrap atop the LFT. The state legislators need to ignore him as well. Given the state of Louisiana’s public schools in general and the massive improvement being made in New Orleans through the use of school choice and charters, any effort made to put the maximum amount of control as close as possible to the individual schools is sure to generate opposition from Monaghan and the rest of the union gentry – and, almost axiomatically, likely to produce better education in our state.

  • James S

    Count on the teacher unions to carry on like Howler monkeys whenever anything remotely positive is mentioned about education.

    • Bobbie H

      You have no clue what you are talking about. The unions have very little power. What is mentioned is not positive. I am a teacher. I have parents requesting me as a teacher for their child. My students have made many gains while under my care. The pay for performance is not possible due to the politics involved in teaching. It is a shame that the governor, nor the legislature wants to hear what really goes on in the school systems. Teachers have not rights, even though the websites state that we do. What is on the web sites are not followed unless it benefits the system. I can't think of any other profession where people would work under such circumstances as teachers do. Now you want to make it even worse!

    • Bobbie H

      You have no clue what you are talking about. The unions have very little power. What is mentioned is not positive. I am a teacher. I have parents requesting me as a teacher for their child. My students have made many gains while under my care. The pay for performance is not possible due to the politics involved in teaching. It is a shame that the governor, nor the legislature wants to hear what really goes on in the school systems. Teachers have not rights, even though the websites state that we do. What is on the web sites are not followed unless it benefits the system. I can't think of any other profession where people would work under such circumstances as teachers do. Now you want to make it even worse!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

        As to the concept that the public "doesn't know the truth" about what goes on in the schools, I would humbly submit it's an insult. What don't we know? That there is politics on school boards and with respect to the relationships between principals and teachers? Quel surprise! I certainly hope Bobbie doesn't think that politics doesn't exist in the private-sector workplace; there is no profession I know of in which it's not preferable to be in good standing with one's boss.

        Or is it that the kids don't learn because they come from dysfunctional home environments? I submit this is no secret, either. Perhaps in a free-market educational system those kids who are truly incorrigible can be removed from the classroom and put in alternative learning environments so that the students who actually want to work and progress can do so without getting beat up or distracted by bad influences. Market forces make for far more sensible decision-making and managerial competence than the current stultified, stupefied, Soviet-style morass the educational establishment has built here and elsewhere across the nation.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mike_Youngblood Mike_Youngblood

          I had also commented about politics in the classroom, the school systems, and in professional workplaces in the business sectors, but I had to omit it – I ran out of room.

          For teachers to be true professionals, they need to strive for excellence in an environment where that excellence is recognized and rewarded, as you describe n your reply below.

        • Nancy J.

          The students will never be put out. Every child has a right to a free public education. The biggest fear of this system is being sued. They allow students to beat up teachers, and the teachers end up in the hospital. Nothing is done to the student, but they try and figure out a way to blame the teachers. We are not allowed to break up a fight, because we might get injured. That is in out handbook. If you are on duty and there is a fight and a child gets hurt the first question made by the public is "where was the teacher". It is our natural instinct to try and break up a fight and keep someone from getting hurt, but when we do, and we get hurt, then we are in trouble for that. You can't win. There are so many more things, it goes on, and on, and on.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

            Again, why would you defend a bureaucratized system which created such asinine rules?

            And the idea that "every child has the right to a free public education" as a justification for failing to remove disruptive or dangerous children from classrooms is an example of leftists turning the Constitution into a suicide pact. If you're not willing to expel disorderly students, you will not improve discipline and thus working conditions in the schools. A free-market school system would allow schools to choose their students at the same time students were choosing schools.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

            Again, why would you defend a bureaucratized system which created such asinine rules?

            And the idea that "every child has the right to a free public education" as a justification for failing to remove disruptive or dangerous children from classrooms is an example of leftists turning the Constitution into a suicide pact. If you're not willing to expel disorderly students, you will not improve discipline and thus working conditions in the schools. A free-market school system would allow schools to choose their students at the same time students were choosing schools.

        • Nancy J.

          The students will never be put out. Every child has a right to a free public education. The biggest fear of this system is being sued. They allow students to beat up teachers, and the teachers end up in the hospital. Nothing is done to the student, but they try and figure out a way to blame the teachers. We are not allowed to break up a fight, because we might get injured. That is in out handbook. If you are on duty and there is a fight and a child gets hurt the first question made by the public is "where was the teacher". It is our natural instinct to try and break up a fight and keep someone from getting hurt, but when we do, and we get hurt, then we are in trouble for that. You can't win. There are so many more things, it goes on, and on, and on.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

        As to the concept that the public "doesn't know the truth" about what goes on in the schools, I would humbly submit it's an insult. What don't we know? That there is politics on school boards and with respect to the relationships between principals and teachers? Quel surprise! I certainly hope Bobbie doesn't think that politics doesn't exist in the private-sector workplace; there is no profession I know of in which it's not preferable to be in good standing with one's boss.

        Or is it that the kids don't learn because they come from dysfunctional home environments? I submit this is no secret, either. Perhaps in a free-market educational system those kids who are truly incorrigible can be removed from the classroom and put in alternative learning environments so that the students who actually want to work and progress can do so without getting beat up or distracted by bad influences. Market forces make for far more sensible decision-making and managerial competence than the current stultified, stupefied, Soviet-style morass the educational establishment has built here and elsewhere across the nation.

    • Nancy J.

      I am a Republican, and a teacher. Shame on Governor Jindal, and the legislature for not talking to teachers at random, (not those sanctioned by the system to speak). Before you pass any new laws that gives the individual school systems more power, you need to speak to us. I am sure people involved in the govt. must all know some teachers. SPEAK TO THEM! We have a teachers bill of rights that is as worthless as the paper it is written on. I guess it made the legislators feel better by passing the "bill of rights", but it is not followed. There needs to be penalties for systems that ignore what is written. James you are clueless. LFT wants fairness for workers, not more of the iron hand on us, while the people not involved in teaching the children, do not follow rules, and do as they please. They talk the talk, but they do not walk the walk.. Teachers know the truth!

    • Nancy J.

      I am a Republican, and a teacher. Shame on Governor Jindal, and the legislature for not talking to teachers at random, (not those sanctioned by the system to speak). Before you pass any new laws that gives the individual school systems more power, you need to speak to us. I am sure people involved in the govt. must all know some teachers. SPEAK TO THEM! We have a teachers bill of rights that is as worthless as the paper it is written on. I guess it made the legislators feel better by passing the "bill of rights", but it is not followed. There needs to be penalties for systems that ignore what is written. James you are clueless. LFT wants fairness for workers, not more of the iron hand on us, while the people not involved in teaching the children, do not follow rules, and do as they please. They talk the talk, but they do not walk the walk.. Teachers know the truth!

  • James S

    Count on the teacher unions to carry on like Howler monkeys whenever anything remotely positive is mentioned about education.

  • James S

    Count on the teacher unions to carry on like Howler monkeys whenever anything remotely positive is mentioned about education.

    • Bobbie H

      You have no clue what you are talking about. The unions have very little power. What is mentioned is not positive. I am a teacher. I have parents requesting me as a teacher for their child. My students have made many gains while under my care. The pay for performance is not possible due to the politics involved in teaching. It is a shame that the governor, nor the legislature wants to hear what really goes on in the school systems. Teachers have not rights, even though the websites state that we do. What is on the web sites are not followed unless it benefits the system. I can't think of any other profession where people would work under such circumstances as teachers do. Now you want to make it even worse!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

        As to the concept that the public "doesn't know the truth" about what goes on in the schools, I would humbly submit it's an insult. What don't we know? That there is politics on school boards and with respect to the relationships between principals and teachers? Quel surprise! I certainly hope Bobbie doesn't think that politics doesn't exist in the private-sector workplace; there is no profession I know of in which it's not preferable to be in good standing with one's boss.

        Or is it that the kids don't learn because they come from dysfunctional home environments? I submit this is no secret, either. Perhaps in a free-market educational system those kids who are truly incorrigible can be removed from the classroom and put in alternative learning environments so that the students who actually want to work and progress can do so without getting beat up or distracted by bad influences. Market forces make for far more sensible decision-making and managerial competence than the current stultified, stupefied, Soviet-style morass the educational establishment has built here and elsewhere across the nation.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mike_Youngblood Mike_Youngblood

          I had also commented about politics in the classroom, the school systems, and in professional workplaces in the business sectors, but I had to omit it – I ran out of room.

          For teachers to be true professionals, they need to strive for excellence in an environment where that excellence is recognized and rewarded, as you describe n your reply below.

        • Nancy J.

          The students will never be put out. Every child has a right to a free public education. The biggest fear of this system is being sued. They allow students to beat up teachers, and the teachers end up in the hospital. Nothing is done to the student, but they try and figure out a way to blame the teachers. We are not allowed to break up a fight, because we might get injured. That is in out handbook. If you are on duty and there is a fight and a child gets hurt the first question made by the public is "where was the teacher". It is our natural instinct to try and break up a fight and keep someone from getting hurt, but when we do, and we get hurt, then we are in trouble for that. You can't win. There are so many more things, it goes on, and on, and on.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

            Again, why would you defend a bureaucratized system which created such asinine rules?

            And the idea that "every child has the right to a free public education" as a justification for failing to remove disruptive or dangerous children from classrooms is an example of leftists turning the Constitution into a suicide pact. If you're not willing to expel disorderly students, you will not improve discipline and thus working conditions in the schools. A free-market school system would allow schools to choose their students at the same time students were choosing schools.

    • Nancy J.

      I am a Republican, and a teacher. Shame on Governor Jindal, and the legislature for not talking to teachers at random, (not those sanctioned by the system to speak). Before you pass any new laws that gives the individual school systems more power, you need to speak to us. I am sure people involved in the govt. must all know some teachers. SPEAK TO THEM! We have a teachers bill of rights that is as worthless as the paper it is written on. I guess it made the legislators feel better by passing the "bill of rights", but it is not followed. There needs to be penalties for systems that ignore what is written. James you are clueless. LFT wants fairness for workers, not more of the iron hand on us, while the people not involved in teaching the children, do not follow rules, and do as they please. They talk the talk, but they do not walk the walk.. Teachers know the truth!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mike_Youngblood Mike_Youngblood

    Bobbie and Nancy, you both are missing the point. James is simply affirming the author’s observation that teacher’s unions always respond in the negative when change and reform to Louisiana’s abysmal educational system are put forward. You both suggest that teachers have ideas for improving the current system, yet neither of you offers anything but protestations against changes proposed by the Governor. This could have been your forum for putting forth such suggestions if you truly have any. If you, as teachers, “know the truth,” share it with those of us who you perceive as not knowing it.

    What we do know is that there is much room for improvement in Louisiana’s education system, and that unconventional systems are strongly outperforming the status quo.

    Finally, you remind me again of an adage I’ve shared in this forum before. You refer to yourselves as professionals, yet you suggest that “pay for performance” is not doable because of the politics involved in teaching. Professionals are not represented under collective bargaining agreements. Professionals are compensated based on their achievements; on the basis of their performance.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mike_Youngblood Mike_Youngblood

    Bobbie and Nancy, you both are missing the point. James is simply affirming the author’s observation that teacher’s unions always respond in the negative when change and reform to Louisiana’s abysmal educational system are put forward. You both suggest that teachers have ideas for improving the current system, yet neither of you offers anything but protestations against changes proposed by the Governor. This could have been your forum for putting forth such suggestions if you truly have any. If you, as teachers, “know the truth,” share it with those of us who you perceive as not knowing it.

    What we do know is that there is much room for improvement in Louisiana’s education system, and that unconventional systems are strongly outperforming the status quo.

    Finally, you remind me again of an adage I’ve shared in this forum before. You refer to yourselves as professionals, yet you suggest that “pay for performance” is not doable because of the politics involved in teaching. Professionals are not represented under collective bargaining agreements. Professionals are compensated based on their achievements; on the basis of their performance.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

      Of course, were Louisiana to adopt a true free-market educational system teachers would not only be treated as professionals but good teachers would find themselves and their skills to be in high demand, as schools and parents compete to put children in classrooms with the best performers in the field.

      That is precisely the model Monaghan and the rest of the teachers' union bosses fight tooth and nail against at the slightest whiff of its suggestion.

      • Nancy J.

        How uninformed you are. Being a good teacher, and having student scores to prove it means nothing to this school system in EBR. I know first hand. It is all politics in this system. If you are part of the gold old boy and good old girl club you are rewarded. Teachers are not rewarded on the basis of their performance and never will be. The deck can be stacked against them by those who make the placement decisions, popularity, etc. None of you know what it is really like. I agree there is politics in the private secter, but you don't have the legislature and the governor makeing it easier for your bosses to cause even more problems. The Supertendient, and those who are employeed by the system, are not educators, the teachers are the educators. What happens in the system would make your skin crawl.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

          I beg your pardon, but you clearly didn't read my comment through at all. At no point have I ever defended the dysfunctional, command-economy nightmare the East Baton Rouge school system has become – or any other school system for that matter. And everything in your comment further reinforces my point that the entire concept of a school system run by petty tyrant/entry-level politicians on a school board is badly out of date and a waste of money and freedom. In a true free-market educational model, the politics you decry melt away and the true currency becomes performance as schools must compete for tuition dollars.

          This business of teachers suffering in silence, however, is vastly overblown. If you're not satisfied with your working conditions in the EBR public schools, then by all means vote with your feet and get a job in Livingston, Ascension, West Feliciana or the Zachary or Central ISD's – or in the private schools. A teaching position doesn't imply indentured servitude or serfdom. Frankly, what's a lot more unfair than your situation is the fact that taxpayers in East Baton Rouge Parish who recoil in horror at the prospect of sending children into the gaping maw of that school system are required to pay property taxes to support inflated salaries for administrators and bureaucrats and to fund half-million dollar ad campaigns to promote collapsing, unsafe schools must at the same time tap into diminishing after-tax disposable incomes to provide real education in private schools.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

          I beg your pardon, but you clearly didn't read my comment through at all. At no point have I ever defended the dysfunctional, command-economy nightmare the East Baton Rouge school system has become – or any other school system for that matter. And everything in your comment further reinforces my point that the entire concept of a school system run by petty tyrant/entry-level politicians on a school board is badly out of date and a waste of money and freedom. In a true free-market educational model, the politics you decry melt away and the true currency becomes performance as schools must compete for tuition dollars.

          This business of teachers suffering in silence, however, is vastly overblown. If you're not satisfied with your working conditions in the EBR public schools, then by all means vote with your feet and get a job in Livingston, Ascension, West Feliciana or the Zachary or Central ISD's – or in the private schools. A teaching position doesn't imply indentured servitude or serfdom. Frankly, what's a lot more unfair than your situation is the fact that taxpayers in East Baton Rouge Parish who recoil in horror at the prospect of sending children into the gaping maw of that school system are required to pay property taxes to support inflated salaries for administrators and bureaucrats and to fund half-million dollar ad campaigns to promote collapsing, unsafe schools must at the same time tap into diminishing after-tax disposable incomes to provide real education in private schools.

      • Nancy J.

        How uninformed you are. Being a good teacher, and having student scores to prove it means nothing to this school system in EBR. I know first hand. It is all politics in this system. If you are part of the gold old boy and good old girl club you are rewarded. Teachers are not rewarded on the basis of their performance and never will be. The deck can be stacked against them by those who make the placement decisions, popularity, etc. None of you know what it is really like. I agree there is politics in the private secter, but you don't have the legislature and the governor makeing it easier for your bosses to cause even more problems. The Supertendient, and those who are employeed by the system, are not educators, the teachers are the educators. What happens in the system would make your skin crawl.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

      Of course, were Louisiana to adopt a true free-market educational system teachers would not only be treated as professionals but good teachers would find themselves and their skills to be in high demand, as schools and parents compete to put children in classrooms with the best performers in the field.

      That is precisely the model Monaghan and the rest of the teachers' union bosses fight tooth and nail against at the slightest whiff of its suggestion.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mike_Youngblood Mike_Youngblood

    Bobbie and Nancy, you both are missing the point. James is simply affirming the author’s observation that teacher’s unions always respond in the negative when change and reform to Louisiana’s abysmal educational system are put forward. You both suggest that teachers have ideas for improving the current system, yet neither of you offers anything but protestations against changes proposed by the Governor. This could have been your forum for putting forth such suggestions if you truly have any. If you, as teachers, “know the truth,” share it with those of us who you perceive as not knowing it.

    What we do know is that there is much room for improvement in Louisiana’s education system, and that unconventional systems are strongly outperforming the status quo.

    Finally, you remind me again of an adage I’ve shared in this forum before. You refer to yourselves as professionals, yet you suggest that “pay for performance” is not doable because of the politics involved in teaching. Professionals are not represented under collective bargaining agreements. Professionals are compensated based on their achievements; on the basis of their performance.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

      Of course, were Louisiana to adopt a true free-market educational system teachers would not only be treated as professionals but good teachers would find themselves and their skills to be in high demand, as schools and parents compete to put children in classrooms with the best performers in the field.

      That is precisely the model Monaghan and the rest of the teachers' union bosses fight tooth and nail against at the slightest whiff of its suggestion.

      • Nancy J.

        How uninformed you are. Being a good teacher, and having student scores to prove it means nothing to this school system in EBR. I know first hand. It is all politics in this system. If you are part of the gold old boy and good old girl club you are rewarded. Teachers are not rewarded on the basis of their performance and never will be. The deck can be stacked against them by those who make the placement decisions, popularity, etc. None of you know what it is really like. I agree there is politics in the private secter, but you don't have the legislature and the governor makeing it easier for your bosses to cause even more problems. The Supertendient, and those who are employeed by the system, are not educators, the teachers are the educators. What happens in the system would make your skin crawl.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

          I beg your pardon, but you clearly didn't read my comment through at all. At no point have I ever defended the dysfunctional, command-economy nightmare the East Baton Rouge school system has become – or any other school system for that matter. And everything in your comment further reinforces my point that the entire concept of a school system run by petty tyrant/entry-level politicians on a school board is badly out of date and a waste of money and freedom. In a true free-market educational model, the politics you decry melt away and the true currency becomes performance as schools must compete for tuition dollars.

          This business of teachers suffering in silence, however, is vastly overblown. If you're not satisfied with your working conditions in the EBR public schools, then by all means vote with your feet and get a job in Livingston, Ascension, West Feliciana or the Zachary or Central ISD's – or in the private schools. A teaching position doesn't imply indentured servitude or serfdom. Frankly, what's a lot more unfair than your situation is the fact that taxpayers in East Baton Rouge Parish who recoil in horror at the prospect of sending children into the gaping maw of that school system are required to pay property taxes to support inflated salaries for administrators and bureaucrats and to fund half-million dollar ad campaigns to promote collapsing, unsafe schools must at the same time tap into diminishing after-tax disposable incomes to provide real education in private schools.

  • K K

    This is why teachers are treated the way we are. All of you have bought into the brainwashing you have been given through the years. Blame the teachers, they are expendable. We can always hire uncertified people to take their place. I am sure there are many that would like to speak out, but they would not be "getting along with their boss", would have to pay the price for talking. Most of us need our jobs. The governor does not know what he is doing if he gives these systems more leverage to do as they please, and not follow even more rules.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

      I find the idea that this is about teachers, rather than union bosses who rarely if ever sniff the inside of a classroom, amazing. If everyone agrees that school boards are abysmal, then why were the teachers' unions opposed to school board reform in last year's legislative session? Why is the LFT opposed to charter schools or vouchers? None of the arguments compute.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

      I find the idea that this is about teachers, rather than union bosses who rarely if ever sniff the inside of a classroom, amazing. If everyone agrees that school boards are abysmal, then why were the teachers' unions opposed to school board reform in last year's legislative session? Why is the LFT opposed to charter schools or vouchers? None of the arguments compute.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mike_Youngblood Mike_Youngblood

        Spot on, Macadoodle. Teachers are saints for stepping into that environment day after day after day. This is about a system that does not work, and unions that don't want their little empires threatened by changes that might diminish their influence. Charter systems, where teachers are better able to implement these ideas that teachers in this discussion have suggested they have, are documented to perform better than those in which their hands are tied by School Boards, status quo Superintendents, and unions. I would suggest that one or several of these teachers who are so passionate on this subject write a post and email it anonymously through you for your readers' consideration.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mike_Youngblood Mike_Youngblood

        Spot on, Macadoodle. Teachers are saints for stepping into that environment day after day after day. This is about a system that does not work, and unions that don't want their little empires threatened by changes that might diminish their influence. Charter systems, where teachers are better able to implement these ideas that teachers in this discussion have suggested they have, are documented to perform better than those in which their hands are tied by School Boards, status quo Superintendents, and unions. I would suggest that one or several of these teachers who are so passionate on this subject write a post and email it anonymously through you for your readers' consideration.

  • K K

    This is why teachers are treated the way we are. All of you have bought into the brainwashing you have been given through the years. Blame the teachers, they are expendable. We can always hire uncertified people to take their place. I am sure there are many that would like to speak out, but they would not be "getting along with their boss", would have to pay the price for talking. Most of us need our jobs. The governor does not know what he is doing if he gives these systems more leverage to do as they please, and not follow even more rules.

  • K K

    This is why teachers are treated the way we are. All of you have bought into the brainwashing you have been given through the years. Blame the teachers, they are expendable. We can always hire uncertified people to take their place. I am sure there are many that would like to speak out, but they would not be "getting along with their boss", would have to pay the price for talking. Most of us need our jobs. The governor does not know what he is doing if he gives these systems more leverage to do as they please, and not follow even more rules.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/macaoidh macaoidh

      I find the idea that this is about teachers, rather than union bosses who rarely if ever sniff the inside of a classroom, amazing. If everyone agrees that school boards are abysmal, then why were the teachers' unions opposed to school board reform in last year's legislative session? Why is the LFT opposed to charter schools or vouchers? None of the arguments compute.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mike_Youngblood Mike_Youngblood

        Spot on, Macadoodle. Teachers are saints for stepping into that environment day after day after day. This is about a system that does not work, and unions that don't want their little empires threatened by changes that might diminish their influence. Charter systems, where teachers are better able to implement these ideas that teachers in this discussion have suggested they have, are documented to perform better than those in which their hands are tied by School Boards, status quo Superintendents, and unions. I would suggest that one or several of these teachers who are so passionate on this subject write a post and email it anonymously through you for your readers' consideration.

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