Comments on: Is Bart Stupak Getting Massa’d on Health Care Reform Bill? http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/ News And Commentary On Louisiana And National Politics Sat, 26 May 2012 19:15:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ryan Booth http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1027 Ryan Booth Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:00:25 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-1027 The irony here (not unnoticed by the Left) is that Rahm was the DCCC chair who got most of the "Blue Dogs" elected in 2006. While Howard Dean (then the DNC) chairman) and others wanted Democrats to focus on a consistent national message, Rahm wanted a congressional majority at any price. The result is what the Democrats have now -- a majority in numbers but not on issues. There is no question that Rahm's job is on the line right now. If Obamacare doesn't pass, Rahm is out and his career is over. The irony here (not unnoticed by the Left) is that Rahm was the DCCC chair who got most of the "Blue Dogs" elected in 2006. While Howard Dean (then the DNC) chairman) and others wanted Democrats to focus on a consistent national message, Rahm wanted a congressional majority at any price. The result is what the Democrats have now — a majority in numbers but not on issues. There is no question that Rahm's job is on the line right now. If Obamacare doesn't pass, Rahm is out and his career is over.

]]> By: Ryan Booth http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-5789 Ryan Booth Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:00:00 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-5789 The irony here (not unnoticed by the Left) is that Rahm was the DCCC chair who got most of the "Blue Dogs" elected in 2006. While Howard Dean (then the DNC) chairman) and others wanted Democrats to focus on a consistent national message, Rahm wanted a congressional majority at any price. The result is what the Democrats have now -- a majority in numbers but not on issues. There is no question that Rahm's job is on the line right now. If Obamacare doesn't pass, Rahm is out and his career is over. The irony here (not unnoticed by the Left) is that Rahm was the DCCC chair who got most of the "Blue Dogs" elected in 2006. While Howard Dean (then the DNC) chairman) and others wanted Democrats to focus on a consistent national message, Rahm wanted a congressional majority at any price. The result is what the Democrats have now — a majority in numbers but not on issues. There is no question that Rahm's job is on the line right now. If Obamacare doesn't pass, Rahm is out and his career is over.

]]> By: Ellen Carmichael http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1020 Ellen Carmichael Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:01:18 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-1020 The question here is whether or not the Dems are going to "pull a Massa" and try to blackmail Stupak, as Massa claimed they did with him. While there is certainly no telling whether it's true or not, it definitely raises questions about how they will twist his arm to make him vote in favor of the bill, despite the absence of anti-abortion language. They've made it clear they will pass it at any cost. And besides, they don't like those Blue Dog centrist Democrats anyway. If they could rid their party of him and a few others while still holding a majority, they will be able to redirect their party platform to the Left and with more progressive leadership, enabling them to pass health care reform (or other huge legislation) with fewer hurdles. The question here is whether or not the Dems are going to "pull a Massa" and try to blackmail Stupak, as Massa claimed they did with him. While there is certainly no telling whether it's true or not, it definitely raises questions about how they will twist his arm to make him vote in favor of the bill, despite the absence of anti-abortion language. They've made it clear they will pass it at any cost. And besides, they don't like those Blue Dog centrist Democrats anyway. If they could rid their party of him and a few others while still holding a majority, they will be able to redirect their party platform to the Left and with more progressive leadership, enabling them to pass health care reform (or other huge legislation) with fewer hurdles.

]]> By: Ellen Carmichael http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-5788 Ellen Carmichael Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:01:00 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-5788 The question here is whether or not the Dems are going to "pull a Massa" and try to blackmail Stupak, as Massa claimed they did with him. While there is certainly no telling whether it's true or not, it definitely raises questions about how they will twist his arm to make him vote in favor of the bill, despite the absence of anti-abortion language. They've made it clear they will pass it at any cost. And besides, they don't like those Blue Dog centrist Democrats anyway. If they could rid their party of him and a few others while still holding a majority, they will be able to redirect their party platform to the Left and with more progressive leadership, enabling them to pass health care reform (or other huge legislation) with fewer hurdles. The question here is whether or not the Dems are going to "pull a Massa" and try to blackmail Stupak, as Massa claimed they did with him. While there is certainly no telling whether it's true or not, it definitely raises questions about how they will twist his arm to make him vote in favor of the bill, despite the absence of anti-abortion language. They've made it clear they will pass it at any cost. And besides, they don't like those Blue Dog centrist Democrats anyway. If they could rid their party of him and a few others while still holding a majority, they will be able to redirect their party platform to the Left and with more progressive leadership, enabling them to pass health care reform (or other huge legislation) with fewer hurdles.

]]> By: macaoidh http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1015 macaoidh Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:57:45 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-1015 The overarching point here seems to be the amazing lengths to which the Obama administration and their goons in the House Democrat leadership will go to punish their enemies. How much longer can this stuff persist before there's an open revolt in the Democrat caucus? The overarching point here seems to be the amazing lengths to which the Obama administration and their goons in the House Democrat leadership will go to punish their enemies.

How much longer can this stuff persist before there's an open revolt in the Democrat caucus?

]]> By: macaoidh http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-5787 macaoidh Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:57:00 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-5787 The overarching point here seems to be the amazing lengths to which the Obama administration and their goons in the House Democrat leadership will go to punish their enemies. How much longer can this stuff persist before there's an open revolt in the Democrat caucus? The overarching point here seems to be the amazing lengths to which the Obama administration and their goons in the House Democrat leadership will go to punish their enemies.

How much longer can this stuff persist before there's an open revolt in the Democrat caucus?

]]> By: Ryan Booth http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1013 Ryan Booth Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:48:30 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-1013 Stupak did manage to draw a primary challenger today, but I'm sure that's just a random coincidence. Stupak did manage to draw a primary challenger today, but I'm sure that's just a random coincidence.

]]> By: Ryan Booth http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-5786 Ryan Booth Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:48:00 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-5786 Stupak did manage to draw a primary challenger today, but I'm sure that's just a random coincidence. Stupak did manage to draw a primary challenger today, but I'm sure that's just a random coincidence.

]]> By: Ryan Booth http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1012 Ryan Booth Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:17:40 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-1012 <a href="http://weeklystandard.com/print/blogs/stupak" target="_blank">http://weeklystandard.com/print/blogs/stupak</a> Stupak says there is no deal, and he won't vote for the Senate bill with a promise that it'll be fixed later. Good news if you oppose Obamacare. Today, I would put the odds that Obamacare gets passed at 30%, since I don't see a pathway to 216 for Pelosi without Stupak's 12 member bloc, and I haven't heard any procedure that could work for the kind of compromise that Stupak wants, but who knows what they could come up with? http://weeklystandard.com/print/blogs/stupak

Stupak says there is no deal, and he won't vote for the Senate bill with a promise that it'll be fixed later. Good news if you oppose Obamacare. Today, I would put the odds that Obamacare gets passed at 30%, since I don't see a pathway to 216 for Pelosi without Stupak's 12 member bloc, and I haven't heard any procedure that could work for the kind of compromise that Stupak wants, but who knows what they could come up with?

]]> By: Ryan Booth http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-5785 Ryan Booth Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:17:00 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-5785 <a href="http://weeklystandard.com/print/blogs/stupak" rel="nofollow">http://weeklystandard.com/print/blogs/stupak</a> Stupak says there is no deal, and he won't vote for the Senate bill with a promise that it'll be fixed later. Good news if you oppose Obamacare. Today, I would put the odds that Obamacare gets passed at 30%, since I don't see a pathway to 216 for Pelosi without Stupak's 12 member bloc, and I haven't heard any procedure that could work for the kind of compromise that Stupak wants, but who knows what they could come up with? http://weeklystandard.com/print/blogs/stupak

Stupak says there is no deal, and he won't vote for the Senate bill with a promise that it'll be fixed later. Good news if you oppose Obamacare. Today, I would put the odds that Obamacare gets passed at 30%, since I don't see a pathway to 216 for Pelosi without Stupak's 12 member bloc, and I haven't heard any procedure that could work for the kind of compromise that Stupak wants, but who knows what they could come up with?

]]> By: macaoidh http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1009 macaoidh Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:03:58 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-1009 Stupak might not be long for Congress either way, from the looks of it. Either he caves on the bill, in which case the voters will get him in November, or he stands against it and Rahmbo pokes him in the shower. Stupak might not be long for Congress either way, from the looks of it. Either he caves on the bill, in which case the voters will get him in November, or he stands against it and Rahmbo pokes him in the shower.

]]> By: macaoidh http://thehayride.com/2010/03/is-bart-stupak-getting-massad-on-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-5784 macaoidh Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:03:00 +0000 http://thehayride.com/?p=1651#comment-5784 Stupak might not be long for Congress either way, from the looks of it. Either he caves on the bill, in which case the voters will get him in November, or he stands against it and Rahmbo pokes him in the shower. Stupak might not be long for Congress either way, from the looks of it. Either he caves on the bill, in which case the voters will get him in November, or he stands against it and Rahmbo pokes him in the shower.

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